Ignorance is not always bliss

dearlg1 wrote:

lavender orchid wrote:

www.?

www.ignoranceisbliss.com

are you happy in such freedom?

The ones who do not know...the ignorant. A redundant statement.

i have been kind to
but never kindred with
such
density levels



and singing .... perhaps..

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lavender orchid wrote:

i have been kind to
but never kindred with
such
density levels



and singing .... perhaps..

..

Maybe as dense and thick as this song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toHlMD50eYY

... and its imp-poster?

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lavender orchid wrote:

... and its imp-poster?

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Hmmmmmmmmm; could be

1st, we are all ignorant. It seems to be part of the human condition. (2). we all have blind spots, so do not know
when we are being blind and ignorant. A good tell tale, is negative emotion. If there is negative emotion, there
is room for growth. Ignorance, or part of it, is not acknowledging this fact. To instead, label or judge, is a sure
sign of ignorance. This is only a part. 2nd. we need each other. Since each of us can see only the piece of the
puzzle, we need each other to sort out the pieces. 3rd. this is where self discipline comes in. To hear the other,
without getting triggered. If triggered, look within for self growth. Triggers are a good thing. They force ourselves
to expand our consciousness.

A sure sign of a guru : non triggerability, and the ability to see multiple viewpoints. A sure sign of ignorance,
is too see your position as the only viewpoint of worth. It is not desirable, since we need each other. We must
learn to work together.

lightsun wrote:

A sure sign of a guru : non triggerability, and the ability to see multiple viewpoints. A sure sign of ignorance,
is too see your position as the only viewpoint of worth. It is not desirable, since we need each other. We must
learn to work together.

I for one agree with your assessment. Unless that guru’s message was grossly misinterpreted and was accused of something he or she is not or ever will be.

I have been on a path, since I was born. I learn from others.

lightsun wrote:

I have been on a path, since I was born. I learn from others.

Learing from others is how things are learned. Is that a good thing though? What is good for one does not automatically make it good for you, and it may not even be good for them either. Learing is a very tricky process with many paradoxical abstractions.

oh, i love to hear you talk, my friends.
and how often would i wish my friends would include me.
because it is so much more and better than just listenting to talk, per se.

you see, "my" culture uses reward and punishment to make or break you, from as early as you can remember.
it has created hierarchical social structures our beaten minds cannot seem to transcend anymore.

when a guru, therefore, keeps pushing me into the shame and guilt corner, i will eventually question his motives concerning the status quo he either wants to sacrifice me to or help me out of.

fight or flight?

beyond that begins life as the universal order.

the more i see you..

dearlg1 wrote:

lightsun wrote:

I have been on a path, since I was born. I learn from others.

Learing from others is how things are learned. Is that a good thing though? What is good for one does not automatically make it good for you, and it may not even be good for them either. Learing is a very tricky process with many paradoxical abstractions.

Learning from others does not require that you accept their answers for yourself. Others often give us valuable examples of what not to do, or at least cautionary lessons that we can employ in making our own choices.

Romana, your words sound reasonable!
reason being, that OUR OWN CHOICES do already contain too much chaos.
but sure i trust you to be an excellent role model.

I can accept things with caution.

I am an Intuitive. I am a feeler. When & how, I learn, the knowledge must resonate. If it does
not resonate with my spirit, then either I have no use for it, or I am not yet ready to learn
the lesson. Dearlg1, I do not take in everything and accept it. I believe all of us have gifts :
Romana, lavender orchid, Dearlg1, myself, & everyone on the forum. As such, we all need
to learn lessons to grow and actualize our self. We will need to learn different lessons, perhaps.

lightsun wrote:

I am an Intuitive. I am a feeler. When & how, I learn, the knowledge must resonate. If it does
not resonate with my spirit, then either I have no use for it, or I am not yet ready to learn
the lesson. Dearlg1, I do not take in everything and accept it. I believe all of us have gifts :
Romana, lavender orchid, Dearlg1, myself, & everyone on the forum. As such, we all need
to learn lessons to grow and actualize our self. We will need to learn different lessons, perhaps.

I understand where you are coming from. I am more of an observer and analyze type of person. Not so much on a scientific side but an observer of humanity, like body language, voice tones and writing styles, that sort of things. I do not know what is best for people. I leave it up to the individual to make their own decisions and look at people who like to give advice with an eye of suspicion. I am a harbinger for the Great Way, but leave it at that. To each their own.

Romana, "Others often give us valuable examples of what not to do..."
True, even profoundly so. Confucius stated that on a road, he met two men. A good man
(or greater), and a bad man (or lesser man). From the good, he learned what to do.
From the bad, what not to do. I will state my contention that we all have an instinctual seed
of life & it holds our gift. Our job is to find this gift and manifest it. If we do, we will be in flow,
or one with Tao, & be happy. The problem is, as you say, Dearlg1, hearing false messages.
We must be on guard and we must take responsibility for our choices. Do we walk the path
of reason and love? Or we instead get pulled into superficiality, and not realize our gift?
It is hard to not get pulled into the illusions of the world. This is why children need to be
nurtured with love and reason. Protected against the conflicting signals of the world. If a child
has a sense of self, they can more readily ignore illusions & the false promises of the world.
They then can pursue their gift and more easily keep straight on the path. If the child was
not raised in this protective & nurturing environment, they can have symptoms or
diseases of crime, mental illness, & substance abuse. This is a shame.

dearlg1, "I leave it up to the individual to make their own decisions..." I also. Each must walk
their path. I like it about Hinduism, they say their are many paths to the top of the mountain.
Based on our gifts, we must walk the path differently. Each path must be respected, provided
it does not harm others.

"...keeps pushing me into the shame and guilt corner..."
lavender orchid, my spirit cries out, "This is wrong!" I get angry. In my mind, this is the wrong
approach. Moreover, it is controlling. It is not done for the benefit of the pupil. It is done, in a
controlling fashion, to remake the pupil in the image of the teacher. It goes against my spirit.
All of us have animal spirits, and as such are different, unique, special. Some of us are beaver,
or salmon or bear or woodpecker or dragonfly. He is trying to reshape your animal spirit into
his own. It is misguided. You can not turn an eagle into a bear. It is a sin and goes against the
nature of our soul. I am sorry. This triggers my demons. In order for the teacher to not face
his or her own issues, and thus grow, they instead control the situation. They do not take into
account the unique value the pupil brings. Both parties are independent beings & they should
have this independence acknowledged & respected. Both can learn from the other. I have
counseled. I do not seek to control or remake this other person into me. I ask questions.
I lead others to truths, that I can perceive. Along the way, I grow. This is wrong. Free
yourself lavender orchid. You have wisdom to share. Find a mentor, where both parties
are equal & or have equal worth.

Dearlg1, "Learning from others is how things are learned. Is that a good though?" I do not know if it is good
or no, nonetheless it is reality. So it is good. How else could we learn? I suppose, independently. Yet then
we would not be as interconnected. Because we are interconnected, it forces us to learn from each other.
This is why I love learning communication techniques.

Dearlg1, "What is good for one does not automatically make it good for you..."
I am in agreement. A lot of this ties in with the above posts. I think we are both seeing a truth
and describing the different aspects of it. This is also why I love learning the SJ SP NF NT
personalities. I am a peaceweaver. I seek harmony between the different personalities.

"...look at people who like to give advise with an eye of suspicion." I sort of agree with you. I say each of us has
inner wisdom & light. We need to learn to listen to this inner voice. The advise giver generally does not know
that they are Projecting their universe, unto another. It is, as if, the eagle says to the bear, do it this way.
All of us have different gifts. We also have barrier. If something is not done, that is reasonable, then there is an
unconscious reason. A weak area. Saying what seems to be self evident, the other person already knows.
How can we learn and teach the other? Each of us learns in different ways. Some like to always get advise.
This stunts their uniqueness and ability to make decisions. Some like to always give advise, and can seem to
be arrogant. They are oblivious, or don't care of their effect. In between is the happy median of the bell curve,
of give and listen to advise. What does all this say. I agree with your statement. However,
people have different styles, that they are not always aware of. Each must learn their own way.

lightsun, being an ultra sensitive person as I sense, life must be rough on you at times, emotionally speaking. You must posses a strong character to withstand the rigors of life that has and do confront you. Stay on your path.